wrap it up with other issues and address our ability to grow. the labor market, credit, inf infrastructure. i will tell you it's not about a partial solution, it's about a wholistic solution that is going to involve a lot of steps, including higher tax rate. that is what the math tells you. >> so, david, stephen moore says when are we going to deal with it? the issue with the fiscal cliff is less, when, and more how? >> on the fiscal cliff, for example, can you not extend the payroll tax cut. that's over $100 billion. you can recognize that 99 weeks is enough for unemployment benefits. you can reach a compromise with regard to some defense and nondefense spending without doing the hatchet. then what can you do is set up a bridge to a grand bargain to where we're focusing on getting debt to gdp down to 60% within 10 to 12 years which will require everything we're talking about. budget controls, social insurance reforms, comprehensive tax reforms, additional defense and spedding nding reductions.